TSMC CEO is optimistic about Arizona chip quality despite challenges, most advance tech will remain in Taiwan

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In context: TSMC is facing significant challenges in its efforts to establish advanced chip production facilities in the United States. Despite a $65 billion investment in three massive factories in Arizona, TSMC's CEO, C.C. Wei, has reiterated that the company's most advanced chip technology is likely to remain in Taiwan for the foreseeable future.

Speaking at a National Taiwan University event, Wei outlined a series of obstacles that have slowed progress and increased costs for TSMC's U.S. expansion. These challenges include complex compliance issues, local construction regulations, and various permitting requirements that have significantly extended the project timeline.

"Every step requires a permit, and after the permit is approved, it takes at least twice as long as in Taiwan," Wei said, highlighting the stark contrast between the regulatory environments in the two countries. Other challenges include a shortage of skilled workers, gaps in the supply chain, and a lack of established regulations specific to chip plant construction.

To address these issues, TSMC has taken extraordinary measures. Wei revealed that the company invested $35 million to establish 18,000 rules in collaboration with local governments, hiring a team of experts to navigate the complex regulatory landscape. Additionally, TSMC has faced significantly higher costs for essential supplies, such as chemicals, which are five times more expensive in the U.S. than in Taiwan.

To mitigate the labor shortage, TSMC has resorted to relocating half of its construction workers from Texas to Arizona, incurring additional costs for relocation and accommodation.

Despite this, Wei remains optimistic about the quality of chips that will be produced at the Arizona facility. At a recent earnings conference, he expressed confidence in achieving the same level of quality as in Taiwan and anticipated a smooth ramp-up process.

During the call, Wei noted that TSMC had accelerated the production schedule for its first fab in Arizona, which began high-volume production in the fourth quarter of 2024. The fab utilizes N4 process technology with yields comparable to TSMC's facilities in Taiwan. "With our strong manufacturing capability and execution, we are confident we can deliver the same level of manufacturing quality and reliability from our fab in Arizona as we do from our fabs in Taiwan," he said.

Plans for a second and third fab in Arizona are also on track, Wei confirmed during the earnings call. "This is where we will utilize even more advanced technologies, such as our N3, N2, and A16 nodes, based on our customers' needs," he added.

The U.S. government has thrown its full support behind TSMC's investment, offering a $6.6 billion grant as part of its strategy to diversify the geographic distribution of chip manufacturing, which is currently heavily concentrated in Asia, particularly Taiwan.

However, at the event, Wei noted that the most cutting-edge chip technology might not reach American shores as quickly as some in the U.S. had hoped. This is not new information: TSMC has consistently maintained that the majority of its chip manufacturing, especially for the most advanced chips, will remain in Taiwan.

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Most advanced tech will remain in Taiwan...yeah, as long as the CCP don't invade.
That's part of the deterrent, actually. As long as Taiwan is valuable to the U.S., the U.S. will probably defend Taiwan from any invasion. Or at least, that's what they want China to calculate. Even so, such an invasion would be disruptive, and the U.S. wants to mitigate that risk.
 
Hopefully with the new administration most of those regulations, permits, licenses and requirements will be scrapped, and the rest drastically simplified. The principle of silent consent should be universally adopted - if a bureaucratic / regulatory body does not approve or reject with solid arguments a permit request within a short period, an approval is granted automatically.

The regulatory frenzy is strangling the industry.
 
Hopefully with the new administration most of those regulations, permits, licenses and requirements will be scrapped, and the rest drastically simplified. The principle of silent consent should be universally adopted - if a bureaucratic / regulatory body does not approve or reject with solid arguments a permit request within a short period, an approval is granted automatically.

The regulatory frenzy is strangling the industry.
Yeah, welcome large factories on our backyard, because they were quick enough to accept our silent agreement...
 
Most advanced tech will remain in Taiwan...yeah, as long as the CCP don't invade.
The CCP is not a simpleton like many US jingoists have been led to believe. In the great political game, the Chinese government knows not to kill the goose that lays the golden eggs and not to fully chase it away.

There's 3 governments playing the game here, and there's a dynamic tension keeping the current arrangement stable every period. Things tend to change on the US side because of the presidential election, and on the China side because of their capricious economic policies. Taiwan simply needs to ensure that the very top expertise in TSMC is not easily transferrable to the US, but that they enable an open flow of US weapons into the island to deter the Chinese jingoists from clamouring for a military invasion.
 
Hopefully with the new administration most of those regulations, permits, licenses and requirements will be scrapped, and the rest drastically simplified. The principle of silent consent should be universally adopted - if a bureaucratic / regulatory body does not approve or reject with solid arguments a permit request within a short period, an approval is granted automatically.

The regulatory frenzy is strangling the industry.
Have you not learnt anything from past environmental and health disasters due to regulatory laxity and absence of enforcement? Superfund sites come to my mind.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Superfund_sites
 
The CCP is not a simpleton like many US jingoists have been led to believe. In the great political game, the Chinese government knows not to kill the goose that lays the golden eggs and not to fully chase it away.

There's 3 governments playing the game here, and there's a dynamic tension keeping the current arrangement stable every period. Things tend to change on the US side because of the presidential election, and on the China side because of their capricious economic policies. Taiwan simply needs to ensure that the very top expertise in TSMC is not easily transferrable to the US, but that they enable an open flow of US weapons into the island to deter the Chinese jingoists from clamoring for a military invasion.
People said Putin will never launch invasion on Ukraine. Smart people explained in great details why it would be insane. There was a time where the man acted like a rational human being. But that changed.
For as long as Xi has unlimited power, he is the greatest danger to the West and Taiwan.
It does not matter if he plans to or not now. It is enough to know that he can. Power corrupted much better people. These people controlling mainland China are not good, not even decent people.
Nobody knows if or when it hits him in the head that one of the greatest tasks of his life is not completed yet. It is sensible to expect insanity and irrational actions of dictators. Just because they do not right now, does not mean they would not tomorrow.
 
People said Putin will never launch invasion on Ukraine. Smart people explained in great details why it would be insane. There was a time where the man acted like a rational human being. But that changed.
For as long as Xi has unlimited power, he is the greatest danger to the West and Taiwan.
There are many dangers to the West and Taiwan, and my own analysis of the biggest is something internal, not external. Everybody always wants to focus on an external enemy.

USA - wanton money printing to stave off federal shutdown, woke culture, bipartisan mentality in politics, increase in godlessness

Taiwan - being a (willing) pawn in the US' Island Chain Strategy of the western Pacific and containment of China

It does not matter if he plans to or not now. It is enough to know that he can. Power corrupted much better people. These people controlling mainland China are not good, not even decent people.
Nobody knows if or when it hits him in the head that one of the greatest tasks of his life is not completed yet. It is sensible to expect insanity and irrational actions of dictators. Just because they do not right now, does not mean they would not tomorrow.
The old nuclear powers are more rational than you think. If things reach a point when all nukes are up in the air, there's nothing left to rule over. I think you give yourself and your own leaders too much credit to be able to judge that the Chinese leaders are completely irrational. During the Cuban Missile Crisis, the ones who were about to send the nukes up first were the Americans, not the Soviets. Thankfully somehow that crazy move ultimately led to the demise of the Soviet Union.

Truly irrational leaders don't last long. Can't last long. History shows that really well. Breathe easier.
 
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There are many dangers to the West and Taiwan, and my own analysis of the biggest is something internal, not external. Everybody always wants to focus on an external enemy.

USA - wanton money printing to stave off federal shutdown, woke culture, bipartisan mentality in politics, increase in godlessness

Taiwan - being a (willing) pawn in the US' Island Chain Doctrine of the western Pacific and containment of China


The old nuclear powers are more rational than you think. If things reach a point when all nukes are up in the air, there's nothing left to rule over. I think you give yourself and your own leaders too much credit to be able to judge that the Chinese leaders are completely irrational. During the Cuban Missile Crisis, the ones who were about to send the nukes up first were the Americans, not the Soviets. Thankfully that somehow that crazy move ultimately led to the demise of the Soviet Union.
Truly irrational leaders don't last long. Can't last long. History shows that really well. Breathe easier.
We are watching live a man who decided to conquer a peaceful neighboring country, that, according to his beliefs, belonged to Russia and must be a part of it. That is what I am talking about, He used to be sane, cold handed, very calculating and rational. And here he is now, taking credit (unwillingly) for war crimes including tortures of civilians and hundred of child rapes. One went of the rails, all the rest are watching what the west will do.
If the west does not do much, the chances of others doing something similar become more real.
 
We are watching live a man who decided to conquer a peaceful neighboring country, that, according to his beliefs, belonged to Russia and must be a part of it. That is what I am talking about, He used to be sane, cold handed, very calculating and rational. And here he is now, taking credit (unwillingly) for war crimes including tortures of civilians and hundred of child rapes. One went of the rails, all the rest are watching what the west will do.
If the west does not do much, the chances of others doing something similar become more real.
I condemn the invasion of Ukraine too. However, I understand the geopolitical considerations that led Russia to invade. These are the very same considerations that led the USA to isolate Cuba and meddle in Latam politics back then using the CIA, installing pro-US juntas (aka US-sponsored dictatorships) after disposing of communists there. Ukraine joining NATO crosses a red line in Russian geopolitics just as Soviet Union missiles being placed on Cuba crosses a red line in US geopolitics. Because joining NATO means having NATO missiles within your lands.

The history is all there for you to read, if you're willing to actually read. Geopolitics is an old game, and people who don't read history don't read the game.
 
Interesting discussion. I am glad I am as old as I am! Also that I never produced any children.

I recall something about probability: anything with a probability greater than zero, will, given enough time, eventually happen.

We're doomed! :bomb:But, why worry, life is temporary & likewise death is inevitable. :D
 
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